Greg Chambers
28 May 2026
EPISODE OVERVIEW
Robert Hisee says most people are trying to change their lives at the wrong level. In this episode of Society 2.0, Greg Chambers sits down with Robert, also known as The Hypnotist Man, for a powerful conversation about consciousness, the unconscious mind, anxiety, visualisation, trauma, emotional intelligence, manifestation, spirituality and the hidden forces that shape human behaviour.
Robert argues that the conscious mind is not usually the problem. Instead, he believes many people struggle because the unconscious mind is still running old patterns linked to fear, survival, pain, past experience and emotional conditioning. From anxiety and phobias to confidence, addiction, weight loss and success, Robert explains why understanding the unconscious can change the way people see themselves and their reality.
A major theme of the episode is Robert’s belief that “you can only think how you feel.” He explains why trying to “just be positive” often fails, and why real change requires emotion, vision and repeated internal rehearsal. For Robert, thoughts alone are not enough. To create a new future, the body has to feel the end goal before it has physically arrived.
The conversation explores how anxiety can be useful in the right context, but destructive when the brain keeps using past pain to predict future danger. Robert uses examples from evolution, personal experience, therapy, sport, creativity and business to explain how the unconscious mind filters reality and how visualisation can reprogramme what the mind notices, believes and acts upon.
Greg and Robert also move into bigger questions around consciousness, the soul, energy, God, flow states, synchronicity, non-human intelligence, manifestation and the nature of reality. Robert shares his belief that consciousness is not simply something we create, but something we are, and that the brain, body and unconscious mind work together to shape how we experience life.
This is a wide-ranging and emotionally charged conversation about why people get stuck, how reality is filtered through the unconscious, and why changing your inner state may be the first step towards changing your outer world.
WHAT YOU’LL LEARN
Why Robert Hisee believes the unconscious mind is the key to understanding behaviour, emotion and lasting change
Why he argues that focusing on anxiety, addiction, food or trauma can keep people stuck in the same pattern
How Robert explains the difference between moving away from pain and moving towards a clear goal
Why “just be positive” is not enough when the body is still feeling fear, sadness or anger
How visualisation, emotion and repetition can help build new mental and emotional patterns
Why Robert compares the reticular activating system to a human satnav
How anxiety can be a protective survival tool, but also a problem when the mind repeatedly predicts danger
Why Robert believes confidence comes after internal rehearsal, not before it
How athletes, performers, musicians and entrepreneurs use unconscious processes to create results
Why the conversation moves beyond therapy into consciousness, spirituality, energy and the nature of reality
KEY THEMES DISCUSSED
Consciousness, the Soul and the Unconscious Mind
The episode begins with one of the biggest questions of all: what is consciousness? Robert describes consciousness as something close to the soul or spirit, but argues that the real issue for most people is not consciousness itself. In his view, the unconscious mind is what controls many of the patterns people struggle to change.
Robert explains that people often understand their problems intellectually but still cannot change them emotionally. Someone may know they need to stop smoking, lose weight, calm down, leave a destructive pattern or build confidence, but the unconscious body can still pull them back into old behaviour. For Robert, this is why conscious understanding is useful, but not always enough.
Why You Can Only Think How You Feel
One of the most powerful ideas in the episode is Robert’s belief that people can only think in line with their emotional state. He explains that when someone feels sad, they create sad thoughts. When someone feels angry, they create angry thoughts. This is why, in his view, the unconscious body has to be trained before the conscious mind can think differently.
Greg reflects on how deeply this idea lands with him, particularly when discussing anxiety, grief, music, memory and emotional triggers. The conversation shows how quickly the body can shift state, and how one sound, thought, song, memory or image can alter a person’s entire internal experience.
Anxiety as Survival, Not Weakness
Robert does not frame anxiety as pointless. He explains that anxiety has a useful survival role when it protects someone from genuine danger. Using examples of early humans, predators, traumatic memories and modern health anxiety, he explains how the unconscious mind can take a past experience and project it into the future.
The problem, Robert argues, is that the same mechanism can activate when a person is physically safe. Someone may be sitting indoors but still imagining disaster, loss, illness or danger. The body then reacts as if the imagined event is already happening. This distinction becomes central to the episode’s discussion of anxiety, therapy and emotional regulation.
Why Focusing on the Problem Can Keep You in the Problem
Robert challenges the idea that people can overcome something by constantly focusing on it. He argues that people cannot focus on anxiety and become confident, focus on drugs and become clean, or focus on food and become thin. In his view, those approaches can keep the mind attached to the very thing the person wants to escape.
Instead, Robert encourages people to focus on the end goal. He separates “losing weight” from “being healthy” or “being in the body you want”, and separates “escaping anxiety” from “becoming calm, confident and creative”. The emotional direction matters. Moving away from pain and moving towards a desired life are not the same experience inside the body.
Visualisation, Emotion and Creating the Future
A major part of the episode focuses on visualisation. Robert argues that everything made by humans begins as a thought, from buildings and cars to businesses, music, technology and personal goals. He repeatedly returns to the idea that “everything gets made twice”: first in the mind, then in the physical world.
Greg takes part in a live visualisation exercise during the episode, exploring his desire to change the world by helping people gain greater understanding and pattern recognition. Robert uses this moment to show how quickly voice, posture, feeling and energy can change when someone connects to a meaningful vision.
For Robert, the visual image alone is not the magic. The key is the emotion behind it. He argues that the body needs to feel the end goal before the person can become the version of themselves capable of achieving it.
The Reticular Activating System as a Human Satnav
Robert describes the reticular activating system as a filtering mechanism that shows people what appears important to them. He compares it to a satnav: without a clear destination, it cannot map the route.
The conversation uses examples such as noticing certain cars, seeing blackbirds after being asked to look for them, or suddenly noticing opportunities that were always there. Robert explains that when people repeatedly focus on anxiety, the mind begins scanning for more reasons to feel anxious. When they focus on a vision, the mind starts filtering reality in line with that vision.
This theme becomes one of the most practical parts of the episode, linking visualisation, emotional state, attention, belief and action.
Sport, Performance and Becoming Before Achieving
Robert uses examples from sport to explain the relationship between belief, identity and performance. Muhammad Ali, Conor McGregor, boxing, dancing, martial arts and elite athletes all feature in the conversation.
He explains how great performers often create the identity before the achievement arrives. Ali saying “I am the greatest” becomes a central example. Robert’s point is not that words alone create success, but that repeated vision, emotional intensity and embodied belief help build the internal state required to act differently.
The discussion also explores why fighters, dancers and musicians perform best when they stop overthinking and allow the unconscious body to act. This leads into flow state, creativity and the difference between conscious control and unconscious mastery.
Therapy, CBT, NLP and Unconscious Mind Therapy
Robert speaks openly about psychotherapy, CBT, exposure therapy and NLP. He does not dismiss all conscious therapy, but argues that many approaches focus too heavily on the content of the problem rather than the process creating it.
He explains how his work in Unconscious Mind Therapy draws on hypnotherapy, NLP, modelling, emotional processes and unconscious change. He also discusses his own background, including ADHD, dyslexia, personal challenges and how understanding the mind helped shape his career.
Greg shares that the conversation has made certain ideas feel more tangible and personally useful, especially around anxiety, belief and the link between feeling and thought.
Consciousness, Energy, God and Reality
The episode moves beyond mindset into deeper questions about consciousness and reality. Greg asks if consciousness is created by the brain or received like an antenna. Robert says he believes we are consciousness, rather than simply creating it.
The conversation touches on the soul, God, energy, the first law of thermodynamics, E=mc², the body changing over time, and the idea that consciousness may not be limited to the physical brain. Robert describes God as a field of consciousness or information that people can tune into, rather than a figure sitting above the world.
They also discuss synchronicity, intuition, creative downloads, Michael Jackson, Prince, Wayne Dyer and the feeling that some ideas appear to come through people rather than from them.
Manifestation, Programming and Personal Reality
Greg asks how people can manifest a reality they actually want, especially if much of their current reality has been shaped by unconscious programming. Robert responds that people must create deliberately rather than simply repeat the past.
He explains that who someone is today is shaped by thoughts, feelings and programming from the past, but who they become tomorrow is shaped by what they think and feel now. This becomes one of the episode’s strongest practical messages: stop looking backwards as the main source of identity and start creating the future self through repeated vision and emotion.
The Big Questions
As with other Society 2.0 episodes, Greg ends by asking bigger questions about who or what controls the world, where humanity is heading and what message Robert would share more widely.
Robert’s answer focuses less on trying to identify who controls the world and more on who controls his own world. He argues that focusing too heavily on external control can pull people away from creation, agency and their own future.
The episode ends with Greg describing the conversation as genuinely revelatory and particularly highlighting Robert’s phrase: “you can only think how you feel.”
WHY THIS EPISODE MATTERS
This episode matters because it challenges the way people usually think about change. Many people believe that if they understand their problems, they should automatically be able to fix them. Robert argues that this is not always true because the unconscious mind, emotional body and survival system may still be running the old pattern.
The conversation is especially relevant for anyone interested in anxiety, confidence, trauma, therapy, addiction, performance, manifestation or personal development. It asks why people repeat behaviour they consciously want to stop, and why the body can react to imagined fears as if they are already real.
It also matters because the episode links personal change to wider questions about reality. Greg and Robert discuss consciousness, spirituality, energy, creativity and whether humans are simply biological machines or something far more complex.
At its core, this is an episode about agency. Robert’s message is that people are not fixed by their past, but they may remain trapped by it if they keep thinking and feeling from the same old place. To change the future, he argues, people must learn to create a new internal state before the external evidence appears.
For listeners of Society 2.0, this episode sits at the crossroads of psychology, spirituality, self-development and the deeper questions of human existence.
CONNECT WITH ROB:
Website: https://www.thehypnotistman.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roberthisee/
UMT Academy: https://www.umtacademy.com/
EPISODE REFERENCES
Carl Jung Quote - https://graciousquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Until-you-make-the-unconscious-conscious-it-will-direct-your-life-and-you-will-call-it-fate..jpg
Freud's Unconcious, Preconscious, and Conscious Minds - https://www.verywellmind.com/the-conscious-and-unconscious-mind-2795946
All seeing eye - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Kapadokya%27dan_Nazar_Boncu%C4%9Fu.jpg
Muhammad Ali – “I am the greatest” - https://www.fearlessmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Muhammad-Ali-quotes-2-1280x720.jpg
Tony Robbins NLP - https://www.tonyrobbins.com/blog/nlp-techniques
Quantum Entaglement - https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/MbtmSRkQZB5sPGPrTP4R55-1040-80.jpg
Mel Robbins - https://www.melrobbins.com/episode/episode-217/
